Hey y’all,
So I keep having this intrusive though that I SO BADLY want to get my anti slop, anti corporate brainwash friends off of fb and start our own social area (with blow and hookers. Actually forget the blow).
My issues: most of them aren’t tech savvy and my setup would have to be solid with little issues. I never post on fb but I basically would Make 1 post inviting everyone to it.
I have a couple synology nas setups. Neither are open to the internet. I have some spare computers as well that could run the server fine.
I know I could potentially just make a server from one of the public instances of matrix but I don’t trust that and it’d be a nightmare if that one went down or something and we had to move again.
Realistically I’d probably get like 10 people to join me. Just a place for local community to hang out and share events etc.
I keep getting stuck on how exactly to go about it. Like I think I’d need tailscale and docker (still dont get what docker really is). I have used tailscale briefly on mobile and it seems to work. But idk. I would also be fine paying a modest sum a year for some pro to host it if that is smarter…
I moved away from matrix myself, too many tech issues, “normies” cannot use it (good fucking luck), all the apps are dookie, the public rooms have a CSAM issue, it was created within AMDOCS before being spun into The Matrix Foundation and I don’t trust AMDOCS, it pisses metadata and you basically have to federate with .org because it’s the “default.”
I’ve moved to Delta Chat, which runs off of Chatmail servers (and you can indeed host your own), the apps are good, It’s so easy your mother could use it (mine does), calls (video/audio) are working, location sharing on android, webXDC apps can be neat, they’re working on metadata (almost 0 iirc) and forward secrecy, it’s pretty good.
DeltaChat is amazing
Anything better than matrix/prosody server?
Man… I’ve been seriously side eyeing deltachat… but I’ve only just finished setting up XMPP after kicking matrix to the curb, via a brief segue thru IRC.
I just…can’t again. The pain…it burns!
Knowing my luck, deltachat is amazing.
I know the pain lmao, I moved from Signal to XMPP to Matrix back to XMPP and then found Delta. It is pretty good so far though, my favorite part is that “normals” can use it easily if I can get them to install it, the biggest hurdle still is the “normal” people who say “aNoThEr ApP fOr TeXtInG?!?!” but those same people have no problem installing an app for 16 cents off of a McChicken.
Like, not that they’re burnt out on me trying apps, I did my testing with small groups, these are people who had no idea of that struggle, they just ONLY want to use iMessage because they suck and are lazy, they legit said “instead of me installing a free app, you should ditch GrapheneOS and spend a grand on a phone that spies on you.”
Sit down. Let me pour you a drink. Then let us lament the curse of the normie together.
Beratna, tell me…is DeltaChat meeting their needs? Is it easier for you? I have one more migration in me, but i’m tired, beratna. I just walked in to find my youngest watching Netflix (gasp!) instead of the carefully curated media server.
Like a lot of us, I solved an interesting technical problem without accounting for the messy end user problem.
Fortunately, this one can be solved with a little uTorrent and some post-hoc market research and buy in (chocolate).
You’re saying Deltachat gets you more of that then XMPP and Conversations, I’m willing to listen.
It’s meeting their needs so far for sure, the only issue I’ve run into is that I can’t location share with iPhones, but I’m the only one that cares lol.
Definitely look into it before you move, it’s more suited towards family/friends, for instance “group chats” don’t have an admin/mod or anything, all users have the same power and can kick any other user. Technically both matrix and XMPP can do “more” and if you have them already using XMPP it might just be better to stay, in my case I couldn’t get them to use XMPP if I tried lol, “too ugly,” “looks old,” “what the fuck do you mean ‘enable omemo,’” etc.
That’s my favorite part, when I do convince someone to sign up, I just send an invite link, they click it, it opens their app store to DC, and sometimes they have to click it again after they’ve made an acct to get linked to me but they can just handle it, no walkthrough needed.
And they keep focusing on making that easier for me, you can choose your own relays and add multiple for resiliency if one goes down, but that’s out of the scope of the normals to figure out so I just let them do default. Well, with a recent update they now default to using multiple relays from their list instead of just their “default” nine.testrun.org, and soon they plan to auto-upgrade any accts made before the change (accts that only have nine.testrun as a relay). So now I don’t even have to worry about upgrading their accts to add extra relays, they’re going to do it for me!
It’s definitely the easiest secure messenger I’ve used so far. It’s not a discord replacement unfortunately but if you just need a chat app without too much of a focus on groups of strangers, it works. There’s not much of a social media aspect to it (which I see as a positive lol), but there is “channels” (like, I follow a linux news channel on DC), those can be neat.
More importantly, delete uTorrent YESTERDAY, it’s no good anymore since about 2009. The replacement is qBittorrent!
Hmm. I think I have the old portable apps version of uTorrent 3.5 on the PC and the Pi (which does all the naughty things) does indeed run qBittorent.
What’s up with uTorrent?
It had a cryptominer for a while, became adware (and possibly outright malware, I abandoned it before then but I’ve heard people say it got worse.)