It too me a while to work out why my Nextcloud stuff wasn’t working on my phone. It wasn’t until I went to http://duckdns.org on mobile data I saw the block. I had changed ISP from one with IPv6, which I had setup, to an ISP without it, and thought it might be that. But it was just coincidence.
I’ve written to O2 but I doubt they will change anything, so I’ll be changing network.
So heads up UK O2 self hosting people!
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If it’s just a DNS block, you could use a different DNS server. You should do this anyway in my opinion.
It’s not the DNS server. I’m sure of this because Termux uses a different DNS server but does the same. I also tried setting my phone to use OpenDNS directly. I’m pretty sure they are inspecting the DNS traffic. Exactly so changing DNS server doesn’t help.
I don’t see a problem when using IP directly. I mean the IP is static, so I could must buy a domain, but I’d also have to piss about with my setup.
Modern Android versions can use DoH (DNS over HTTPS) which can not be intercepted. If you don’t have this option or are not sure how to configure it, you could use the Quad9 app to enable secure DNS. This way you can make sure it is not related to DNS. Frankly, I can’t imagine they are blocking the IPs of the DuckDNS servers directly.
I’ve tried it with F-Droid’s Rethink DNS already and everything is fine then.
Pretty sure they are doing DNS packet inspection. If the DNS is to duckdns (and no doubt other Dynamic DNS), then port 80 has their block page, and not sure what they are doing with 443, but it’s not accepted.
Boringly, it’s not being messed with right now. It’s done this before. Coming and going. It’s one of the things that stopped me working it out before.
Edit: I was wrong. It was just working again generally.Even with DoH DNS, I still see “Access denied” going to duckdns.org and my sites still don’t work. Direct IP works. Not sure how this block is working yet.
T-mobile was doing this in the US but only blocking certain ports when talking to my home server, might try putting it on a non-standard port as well and see if you can access the service then.
Oh I know some ports are ok. My SSH and WireGuard get through. Port 80 is redirected to a block page place holder and 443 is interfered with so SSL fails.
Wouldn’t you be on CGNAT though? How are they blocking it - at the DNS level? Have you tried a CNAME record that points your own domain to the actual duckdns domain? Just curious how/why they might be doing this.
I’ve been doing some investigating. It’s not just DNS. Termux doesn’t use the system DNS, it uses Google. But there is still a interference with SSL on 443 and a different page on port 80.
Edit: oh and the IP address is current with ping.
You can try DoH to see if it is working.
It’s port 443 so it won’t get redirected by their filters.
Android uses DoT so maybe that works. Assuming that they don’t block port 853.
Try the encrypted DNS option to see if they are blocking all DNS providers or just certain ones.
You can also setup your own encrypted DNS on a VPS if you’re feeling brave.
Yer, I used Rethink DNS in F-Droid to test this already. Basically it’s fine when the DNS is encrypted.
Edit: I was wrong. It was just working again generally.Even with DoH DNS, I still see “Access denied” going to duckdns.org and my sites still don’t work. Direct IP works. Not sure how this block is working yet.
O2 has an on-by-default security filter that blocks all sorts of “bad stuff”. For me, it was preventing connecting to any PIA VPN servers. Ping their customer support and they can disable it for you.
Telstra here in Australia seems to have this as well. Not sure about duckdns specifically, but last night I found out that they block a few monero mining pools. I emailed them about it, and apparently it’s based off of virustotal ratings. They wouldn’t turn it off, but they told me it’s “trivial to bypass” (their words), suggesting google or CloudFlares DNS, or a VPN
those “security filters” are the worst, a few years ago vodafone with their “rete sicura” was blocking githubcontent and it was a nightmare to have them disable the service for me, the operator was like “but this is a free premium service that protects you”
I’ve emailed them. See what they come back with. I mean unless they block SSH, Wireguard and Tor, I’ve got to hand work arounds. I just doesn’t like them fighting me.
If they take long or don’t resolve it, try the live support chat. I used the chat inside their app to request it and it was unlocked pretty much instantly.
I tried their help chat bot and it just said to install their app after a few exchanges. My phone is de-googled, so good chance their app won’t work. Plus, I avoid installing closed apps as it is unhygienic. Each one seams to demand access to contacts and location and won’t work if you deny it. Dystopian present, let alone future.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters CGNAT Carrier-Grade NAT DNS Domain Name Service/System HTTP Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web HTTPS HTTP over SSL IP Internet Protocol NAT Network Address Translation PIA Private Internet Access brand of VPN SSH Secure Shell for remote terminal access SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption VPN Virtual Private Network VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)
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If it’s a dns block I’d highly recommend setting up your own recursive dns resolver. Something like pihole and unbound. That way you query the authoritative servers directly and your ISP can’t filter your content as effectively since they would be limited to incredibly ineffective IP based filtering.
Pretty sure they are working via DNS packet inspection.
Interesting.
I have no idea how the piggyback operators work (ie, purely financial, nothing technical?), but a quick check shows Tesco (uses O2) responds the same way.
I’m lucky to have static IPs, but I have a noip.com and that appears to work ok, so it can’t be a blanket policy on dynamic DNS per se.
Giffgaff uses o2 and also blocks duckdns. Additionally, whatever blocklist my employer is using also blocks it, so it’s probably a common thing now.
Just a follow up to this.
So I never ended up contacting O2 to say “please stop this”, I just used Wireguard to home and ignored it. Until the local Morrison’s wifi started doing the same thing but worse and I couldn’t event Wireguard round it.
So I finally just bought a domain and setup my Apache to redirect the old duckdns to the new domain.
So far this all seams to be working great.
Looks like Three doesn’t block it…
O2 didn’t until recently. EE does’t currently (wife’s network)
