No worries, thank you for the detailed reply!

Sounds like a solid way to do it, and a support the uwuification of all software, so that’s an extra bonus! Might have to futz around with it and see what sort of mess I can get myself into.

XMPP is wildly extendable, my limited understanding is that Jingle is the extension used for this. From the abstract:

This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for initiating and managing peer-to-peer media sessions between two XMPP entities in a way that is interoperable with existing Internet standards. The protocol provides a pluggable model that enables the core session management semantics (compatible with SIP) to be used for a wide variety of application types (e.g., voice chat, video chat, file transfer) and with a wide variety of transport methods (e.g., TCP, UDP, ICE, application-specific transports).

I haven’t seen anything about the the extrema of the use cases like that, but Movim is working on building out many of the features of discord and it is built on XMPP.

Yeah that is yucky, seems like self hosting hasn’t really been at the forefront of intention for the project. From the looks of it, them being in Sweden it might have started as a “buy EU” sort of discord clone that was pulled into the death of discord conversation with the ID stuff.

Interesting times 🫠

Curious your thoughts on stoat, that came out of revolt correct? What sorts of bloat did you find?

4 is definitely a good benchmark for self hosting! lol Have you run Synapse, and how did that compare?

Down with discord!

I’m starting a new app called Concordance, and it will only bridge between different apps no matter where they are from 😤

That’s valid, and I think I was coming off a bit of frustration from the previous comment I made in this chain. There are so many new apps that all try and build the features of discord, but always seem to base in closed protocols and so rarely use protocols that already exist, and with that add to the “15 competing standards” problem. Which is why I get much more excited by projects like Movim.

With all of that though, while I agree element has hiccups, XMPP has been around forever and is solid. We saw this with twitter migration too, the existence of other servers makes it seem more difficult, when that’s not really the case. As this video shows, go to the place to want to sign up, give a user and password, confirm you’re human, and use it. That’s already less than the email confirmation of discord.

Googling I got their docs and a github for running through docker, the docs which are empty, and the docker that has the help of claude code.

I try to not poo poo folks working on projects too much, but like why am I here over XMPP or Matrix?

I think generally more positive than negative, but hesitant. There are so many different competing apps and discord copies that have risen and fallen, it’s hard to really get attached to any that have little movement in fighting the network effect.

Seeing it already has the beginnings of enshitification with freemium features, while federation is “in development”, particularly in communities like lemmy the question become why pick this over something that already exists and is an open standard?

Like looking at the “plutonium” page, it’s clear they want to copy the features of discord nitro, and if we are to fight the network effect fight with the energy of discord’s recent fuck up, I would rather land on XMPP or Matrix, if I have any push.